Our VP used to think his path to power was through the ruling class at Yale Law School. But after 2016, he saw that his route was through Trump, so he swapped one set of elites for another. And now as a lord among the MAGA ruling class, he's embracing his true cruel, lying self—and railing against the globalists who nitpick about this silly due process thing. Plus, America: stay and fight. The Atlantic's George Packer joins Tim Miller. Show Notes George's profile of the VP, "The Talented Mr. Vance" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/07/jd-vance-reinvention-power/682828/?gift=AO0MhSsTDaHgiP_RxFGfB_--x9Y5xoR6cusYXTtYBHc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share Rep. Stansbury being featured on Jimmy Kimmel Live! https://x.com/Rep_Stansbury/status/1920931153348862431 George's piece, "Be A Patriot" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/dont-flee-just-yet/682350/?gift=AO0MhSsTDaHgiP_RxFGfB3Sfhf0TOkw66MHVuvF_J6w&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share George on Ross Douthat https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2025/02/how-ross-douthats-proselytizing-falls-short/681842/?gift=AO0MhSsTDaHgiP_RxFGfB07DtVs9J2byeasjx3u__Yw&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share Plus, tickets for our live show “Free Andry” on June 6 in DC https://www.thebulwark.com/i/143356168/just-announced-free-andry-live-show-and-fundraiser-during-worldpride-in-washington-dc-on-june Become a Bulwark Youtube Plus Member here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ/join 0:00 The Talented Mr. Vance 25:40 Vance’s Catholic conversion 32:20 Naked Wines 34:00 Reviewing Douthat’s book 39:10 Leaving the USA